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LOL!!!!! 3 days passed and I’ve just found out why that guy, Dogmangler, was so pissed! OMG He really had a reason to be pissed. (Although his behavior/speech was unacceptable to me, and didn’t help the situation to get any better, he did have a valid, yet childish, point.)

Well today I saw in the AH history, that there’s another seller by the name of Mrsmangler. His mule, without doubt. Last time when I checked I overlooked it, either because the name wasn’t very similar (well, had he named it Dogmango, Dogmangy, Dogmanglar, or even Dogmanager, I would have recognized it right away!) or because he wasn’t the sole distributor on the AH and his name didn’t stand out among other sellers.

So, he’s pissed because I invaded HIS market. Huh?

LOL!

Let’s see….

It would be extremely laughable if I go out of my way to hunt down the people who invaded my food market, selling same stuff I’ve been selling. It would be stupid if I run into them in my farm, Onion farm for example, and send tell asking them if they’re farming for sell or for what, and much more stupid if I get angry because they’re farming for ingredient to compete me in the same recipe. And….it would be even more outrageously ridiculous to send a childish threat by /tell, saying I, the powerful market manipulator (<< sarcasm) will dump the price to discourage you guys, my competitors. Bwahhahahahahah!!!!

*Hello! Come back! (<< Calling myself before I went off the planet, oops, I mean the topic)*

Ahem ahem! Anyway, I won’t blame him lol! It’s the world of free-speech, isn’t it? One is entitled to speak anything they would like (yeah, even the F* word!) No one can hush them or force them to not speak (or to not send /tell) what they want. Although some kind of message would make other frown, or even get angry back at the sender. Or…better yet, laugh at the sender! That’s the freedom in reaction too.

Well, like I said in previous entry, I have no intention in staying in the market. I know really well how disheartening it is to have new competitors in YOUR market. But hey, wake up, look at the fact! It’s MMORPG, the server doesn’t belong to me! Everyone is free to come and go. And there’s no secret in this world. Things that you, and ONLY YOU knew would someday be known by others too. Sooner or later people will stumble on it and found out about it (like how I found this market) Some may decide to leave, some may decide to stay, and worse yet, some may even try to undercut you (which I hadn’t.)

So yeah, I won’t be an ass (like him?) and stay in HIS market. As much as I wish to see him destroy his own profit margin, I have a life and must move on. :P   Ah no, frankly, the truth is that without me, he already has a lot of competitors. Like I said before, his mule’s name didn’t stand out among others. So, it actually wasn’t HIS market alone. Ah, but some people can be incredibly, and unreasonable, possessive. How sad!

Oh wait, there isn’t just one way to be evil! Even if I don’t compete him in the market, I can still go there everyday and farm his target monster. Though there were plenty to share, but if I show up, he would be able to claim only about half the population of the animals in that camp. And thus he would get less hides than he usually do.

But no, I won’t do that. It’s against my personal standard of valor.

And oh, before someone start thinking I’m a mean girl, I must make a note here. A very important note!

I wouldn’t laugh at him or make fun of him here in my blog if he hadn’t taken such a negative approach.

Action = reaction.

Negative action leads to negative reaction. Although I held my negative reaction in and kept to myself, instead of firing back at him, in this blog – which is my personal space – I would rant about it. Well, I won’t pretend to be an angel and say that I didn’t get upset at all. Yes I was very upset. But no, I didn’t insult him back or act angry towards him. My policy is still the same in that incident I posted in Allakhazam Forum. It’s useless to fight anger with anger. It’s useless to exchange insults.

Like I said before in that thread, “There is no point in swearing or yelling BACK at people who’s been mean to you. Getting angry back at an angry person won’t help the situation, but will only double the anger on both sides. I’m trying to say that by reacting with politeness and peace, the situation is more likely to resolve in a better way.”

Unfortunately, this new situation didn’t resolve well, partly because the person did not respond to my polite question, partly because his first reaction was so negative, and partly because I became unwilling to solve the situation nicely due to his disruptive behavior.

Back to the topic in this entry…. Why am I saying I would yield to politeness?

There used to be a time when a solo player at Land Worms camp sent me a tell asking me to move away from HIS place because my presence was “inconveniencing.” Oh wow, he’s got guts….and I thought yeah he was selfish. There were plenty worms, as well as bats, to share. But maybe I was slowing down his kills by taking some of the mobs. Well, since he was polite, I was willing to suppress my disapproval and did as he requested. I moved to the other camp, which was more condensed, easier to link, but has very limit number of worms, as well as was inconvenient to go to.

Also, I met a Taru craftman who was farming Dhalmels in Buburimu Peninsula. We ran into each other trying to pull the Dhalmels many times. He never got upset and never showed any sign of frustration that his preys were getting shared with a competitor. Anyway, he got bored of the slow drop, and probably he’s getting a lot of the items he doesn’t need, so he asked me what I was hunting. I told him I was hunting for the bone, and I don’t mind the hide because I could craft it too, but I didn’t bring the ingredients. So, we had the same problem, he was also about to throw away the bones too. So, we teamed up. We traded. Then, when the bone dropped I would lot it, and him the hide.

We parted happily that day, with far more drops than we would have got if we were to solo.

Had he resorted to an angry reaction in the first place like, for example, yelling at me why I was stealing his mobs, it wouldn’t have resolved like that.

Another example would be in Fei’Yin, when I went there to camp a replica Cross-Counter. I ran into a guy who’s been camping it for many days as well. But since that NM has like 24 hrs respawn window, the competition at the camp was really tense. Anyway, instead of growling at each other, we talked. And he came out with an idea. He asked if I keep camping it regularly, he won’t come to camp against me until I get the drop. Then, it will be his turn. So I agreed and promised him the ToD of NM whenever I’m done with it. He also promised to come and camp to keep the ToD if I couldn’t come. Peacefully solved. Although I was never lucky enough to get the NM to drop what I wanted, that guy got it during the days I was absent, unable to camp it.

I’m not saying one should grovel and beg to a competitor to gain what one wants. It’s just pointless and stupid to start a war. Given that that specific competitor has a neutral attitude towards you, not hatred, if you pick a fight, now you just made a new enemy. A neutral person turned into enemy by one bad move. Isn’t that silly? If you, instead, remain calm and remain neutral towards your competitor as well, neutral will still be neutral. You won’t make any new enemy. Even though we compete, there’s no need to be rude and create an enemy. It’s just as simple as that. And so, politeness is what could really help.

I hate confrontational situation. Well, actually I even hate camping NMs against competitors. I hate to compete. I think MMORPG is here to make people help each other, not to try to win against each other. So, when situation arises, I tend to yield to others (except when I feel that there were enough preys to share.) Even if I don’t realize I’m competing or invading someone’s place, but if later they send tell asking politely, and I see that their request is reasonable, I’m usually more than willing to leave or make a pact that benefits both.

But this guy, Dogmangler, picked the impolite approach. He hasn’t only chosen to send a threatening(?) tell to me, but also swore the F* word at me! So that’s why I got confused and upset so much I have to blow out my steam  in this blog. Honestly, he didn’t even try to ask me whether I was farming for skillup or for profit. He didn’t want to know if I was planning to be in the market temporarily or permanently. He didn’t even try to ask for my reason. He didn’t want to talk. He’s been rude, that’s it.

I targeted this market because there was 0 leather on AH, moron. <<< No!! I MUST not swear!

I’m not stupid enough to go farm, let alone going through all the trouble gathering ingredients and holding the hides that waste my slots just to ask a friend to craft for me, something that people are swarming all over, flushing the market with much more amount than it sells per day.

If he thinks the market belongs to him, well, don’t leave it empty. Why, why did he leave the stock at 0 if he’s so possessive over it? What’s the point of getting angry when someone move into the EMPTY market (or the market that WAS empty when they check) and sell several pieces of it? That’s just stupid. Oh yeah I forgot, he never knew that FACT because he was too angry, too silly, too lazy, or too selfish, to ask.

I despise people who get angry and attack other people before even knowing what their target was doing. It’s like you could hit or kill the wrong guy before you realize it. All due to misunderstanding or misinterpretation, etc. That’s just stupid and laughable. It never hurts to be nice and at least ask first! So that’s why I tend to refrain and try to use rational approach first when conflict arises. When it worked out well and resolved in a nice or friendly way, I become all glad and happy. But gah! When it doesn’t work well and the person ignores my polite approach and continue to be hostile, I get enormously upset!

My bottom line, if you ever come to read this page, I won’t stay in this market. But that’s not because I’m afraid of you, I am just, indeed, afraid of seeing your stupid threat, I’m afraid I would fall dead laughing when I read it. I’m also afraid of myself getting angry over stupid matter like that. So I’ll avoid it. And as far as the market concerns, since this is not my main craft, I’ll only just dip in when I see my chance. There’s nothing wrong in selling things that more people want but less people offer, you can’t deny this. It’s call opportunity. And I like opportunity. Who doesn’t?

LOL!!!! <<< Trying to laugh out loud to get rid of my frustration.

P.S. I don’t care if the price drop. It’s none of my business. Dump it if you want, baby.

P.S.2 The reason why I mention this incident was stupid or childish was because…. Using this standard of his, it means he might need to go threaten 5 or more people, not just me, to discourage and prevent all competitors from invading this leather market. Because it wasn’t just me who was there. There were, and are, a bunch of people selling the same stuff. So, though he did have a valid reason to get mad, his way of solving the problem (or maybe just solving his emotion?) was invalid.

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*ภาษาไทยอยู่ข้างล่างนู่นนนนนน*

I’ve just noticed that after several years passed, my subconscious judgment was still the same. Although in 2004 there was >> an incident << which made me decide to not prejudge people from their angry reaction, I had forgotten about it, and resorted to this rant in my personal blog. Ah, well, I wasn’t totally angry at the person in this blog entry though. More like confused and wanted to know what on earth had caused him to do that to me. So, well, deeply somewhere in my mind I was thinking he might, after all, had a valid reason.

Reading that thread I recall this old feeling…. It really reflects the new one. I wrote “My distress wasn’t going directly to him, but more to why he had a negative assumption towards me.” and that statement is true in this new incident too.

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Hmm…. I have a category called “FFXI Friends” and now I wish I had made something like “FFXI Foes.” LOL, no, it’s not that I met an arch enemy or what, it’s just some weirdo who was openly hostile towards me at a farm. Well, I and Lu, along with my bro were farming a kind of hide for leathercraft’s merchandise (ooh I picked a fancy word!) Well, my goal was to sell the leather, though I’m main Cooking, not Tanning.

The reason why I picked this leather was that a few days ago I and Lusi went through a series of Quests in Wings of the Goddess areas and finally got the reward; ingredients for the later Gobbie Bags. However, when we returned to Jeuno, we found out that no one was selling the leather we still needed!

I looked at the price history as well as how fast the leather was sold, and I knew that at that rate if we don’t seriously camp the Auction House, I wouldn’t be able to buy any, not to mention cheap, leather. So I went out to farm the hide for us. Hoping to ask a close friend who’s a high level Tanner to help later. At first I wanted 2, then I thought oh no, what if he break some? I would have to go through all the troubles coming here to farm again. No, not a good idea. So I farmed more, aiming for just an extra piece of hide for each of us. But in the end I got 7 pieces altogether. And it turned out that Elfi never broke any :O

So, I got 5 extra squares of leather to sell. I put all of them up, all sold at the high curve of price history. I put them on the AH at high end of price margin because it would be rude to undercut people. So, well I got a big chunk of money. Good, now I could have some money to compensate my recent shopping! You know, spending 200k then 50k then 80k etc. buying new equipment really broke my heart, because I’m always poor. So, a mere 50k profit could make my heart jump!

So, today I wanted more profit, and asked Lusi to farm with me, tagging Brune along as a trio. When I first arrived at the camp, I killed 2-3 of the target enemy, then ran into a BST (/anon) who was charming one of those to fight against its own kind. Bwah! Well, Since we came later, I moved further, finding a new camp with my Wide Scan. So we camped far away from him, but at times, when we made a sweep across the length of mountains, we ran into him twice in the middle area between our camp and his camp. Anyway, he was not the problem, you see.

The problem showed up later. As a Taru…. Monk! I can’t believe my fellow Monk would be as hostile towards me! /cry! He was so cruel! Ah, although his name is beginning with “Dog” and I’m a Mithra (cat) which were supposed to be enemy to each other, I didn’t expect him to express it in this form!

Well, we ran into him while we moved from one end of the camp length to the other. I had no intention in yielding my way, because it was quite obvious we arrived first, and the mob popped so fast we couldn’t even cover the whole area before they repopped. So I thought maybe it’s alright if we share on the basis of finders keepers. But well, eventually he sent me a tell. I don’t know what pissed him off so much, probably just our presence as his competitor? Or maybe I answered something that he didn’t like hearing? lol!

The messages were like this, Orange lines are his, Purple lines are mine;

u selling hides or what?
{Synthesis} {ingredients}
i’m going to drop leather price to 4k
Killing crafters?
discouraging ppl like you =)
Like me? Honest crafters who’re farming and crafting for money? lol
lol don’t fucking tell me about honest crafters i took LC to 100 farming all but Griffon hides
and if you check price of hides i’ve done nothing but try to jack the price up
amemet NQ also

And what’s your problem with me then? I don’t understand.

Then he went quiet. I couldn’t understand his point, really.

So here’s all what I’ve guessed and thought to myself;

Maybe he was pissed that I’m competing him in his market?
- But before writing this entry, I checked the AH and found that he wasn’t selling the same leather before me.

Maybe he was pissed that I’m camping against him?
- But we arrived first. =.= That would be a ridiculous reason.

Maybe he was angry that I sold my leather at such high price?
- But I wasn’t the first person to jack up the price. I was only copying the sellers in front of me. And plus, that guy didn’t buy any.

What was his point talking about jacking up the hides price?
- I didn’t touch any hide of that kind in the AH, neither selling nor selling. So, the hides price has nothing to do with me >.>

What was his point in boasting about his farming own hide and leveling up craft to 100, after showing an intention to dump the price in that craft’s market?
- Maybe his reasoning system was broken.

If he really farmed his own Synthesis Ingredients when he leveled up his Leathercraft, why did he have to announce his hostility at me when I answered that I also wanted the ingredients? He allows himself to farm his own ingredients, but other people are evil if they farm too???
- My brother said we should just forget about him, he was just being an ass. =_=;;

He was rude and I’m offended.
- Well, I’m not going to act sissy and claim the woman’s rights here or what, because it’s online game, one can’t know if I’m a girl behind that character. But of course, I wouldn’t consider a stranger who seems to lack self-restraint and curses at someone else so easily a “nice person.” And so he doesn’t seem like a nice person at all, not to mention being unfriendly.

Is it fair for a high level crafter to dump the price of a lowbie (or mid-level) craft when it used to be a profit-making recipe for all the crafters, not only the lower level people?
- No, I don’t think it is.
- I know the market price swings in relation to the balance of demand and supply. So, it’s ok if the price goes up or down naturally, but if I, on purpose, kill the price, it’s not only me who lose profit margin, but also my fellow crafters. I would feel very guilty. So it’s an absolute no-no for me.
- To be specific, imagine being a superior craftsman, crafting something for a profit, then when you see competitors moving in, you decide to dump the price. What would happen? The fellow craftsmen who were leveling on such recipe and selling to gain profit, either for net profit or to cover loss from other recipes, would lose the opportunity to make reasonable amount of money out of that recipe. OMG that’s just so heartless! No, I can’t do that, it’s very selfish.
- I, as a Cook, never dump the price on anything I sell. When I was competing in Cooking markets, I tried to keep the price high or consistent on everything I leveled on, or crafted for profit on. When more competitors moved into a specific market I was in, and when they started undercutting to the point I could not tolerate, I moved to a new one. There’s no use helping them dumping the price. Then I would come back when they all killed their own profit and all moved out from my market, leaving the market price returned to normal. That’s what had happened to my Navarin, Dhalmel Pie, Orange Kuchen, and Shallop Tropicale markets. Killing the market will eventually kill yourself.

Then why did he talk so proudly of his absurd plan to ruin the market?
- I have absolutely no idea.

Why did he get mad at me in the first place?
- No idea, he didn’t reply to that question.

What was his definition of “ppl like you” ?
- Hmmm, it must be how he thought I was. Probably it means people who compete in his market, or people who compete in his farm? But that’s just silly, because as far as I know, I arrived before him in both. Or maybe he meant people who sells things at high price? Then again this is ridiculous, because when there’s an opportunity to make profit, it’s just natural that one would jump on it. If he despised me because of this reason, he must have something wrong in his head.

Then, what am I?
- To me I am;
– A Monk who was happily leveling up her guard skill while farming with friends.
– A Vana’diel adventurer in need of money.
– A person who saw opportunity to make some money and didn’t let it fly by.
– A decent player who avoided Beastmaster’s camp because he might be leveling up (couldn’t say for sure because he was /anon so it was impossible to tell his level)
– A competitive farmer who doesn’t yield the way to other farmer, first comes first serves.

That’s it, and the most possible reason why he got mad at me might be the last one?

Judging from how he inserted a swearing word in his reply immediately after I mentioned “honest crafters,” maybe he has some grudge about that?
- Probably. But I really have no idea and see no connection.

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Well, from my point of view I cannot understand him any tiny bit. And it seemed he was so hostile that he didn’t want to nicely explain to me, he even disregarded my bottom line question. Well, you can’t correct your behavior if the person would not tell you what you did wrong, right? It won’t help the society to improve any bit if one keeps getting mad at people without giving them proper suggestion or advice. It’s like giving a negative comment on a piece of work from someone, and you scold the owner of the work. If the person is not an expert and he couldn’t figure what’s wrong with his work, how on earth could he go back and improve it? It’s just ridiculously heartless, don’t you think?

I always hate people who only scold or curse without giving any advice. It’s like they just talk badly to you just because they want to bash someone, not because they want the righteousness or want to help any person. If one want to help the society, don’t just give negative comment, but guide it to the correct direction too! That’s how human, as a social animal, help each other make the world a better place.

Oh, and be polite!

I also hate people who don’t treat strangers well. I’ve read from somewhere, and I really agree and like it, that you could roughly judge whether a person is nice or evil by looking at the way he treats strangers and treats people who don’t give him profit or advantage. Also, it’s said that people usually reveal their true colour when they’re upset or when don’t get what they want. If they get rude right away, it probably means they’re rude by nature.

P.S. It’s really my first time to run into such a hostile farming competitor (except that RMT group who tried to MPK us) and it really made me sad to have known such a person exists in the beautiful world of Vana’diel and, most of all, to have been unlucky enough to run into one.

P.S.2 To be honest, at first I intended to be on this market just temporarily, but since he provoked me that much, I felt like I want to compete with him and see how he will kill his own profit in the end, lol.

ภาษาไทย….ตอนแรกว่าจะเขียนภาษาไทย ไหงกลายเป็นภาษาอังกฤษฟะ เอาเป็นว่าสรุปเหตุการณ์ย่อ ๆ แล้วแอบด่ามันเฉพาะส่วนที่เกี่ยวกับบทสนทนาละกัน อย่างอื่นมันยาวไป เพราะเราขี้บ่น

- ตอนแรกเรากับลูเพิ่งไปทำเควสต์ในโลกอดีต เอาไอเทมไปทำ Gobbie Bag แต่พอทำเสร็จ (วิ่งอย่างเยอะ ใช้เวลาทั้งหมดนานมาก แทบกระอัก) ปรากฏว่าที่จูโน่ไม่มีหนังขาย….
- ก็เลยไปฟาร์มเอาหนังดิบมา จะให้เอลฟี่ช่วย synth ให้
- ฟาร์มสองอันก็กลัวเอลฟี่ทำแตก ขี้เกียจกลับมาหาเสืออีก เลยฟาร์มไปเผื่อ
- เผื่อไปเผื่อมา สุดท้ายได้มาตั้ง 7 อัน แถมเอลฟี่ทำไม่แตกเลยด้วย ก็เลยต้องเหลือ เอาไปขาย 5 อัน
- ขายหมด ได้เงินเยอะ เพราะออกแพงด้วย ติดขอบบน ๆ ของวงจรราคาอ่ะ
- ติดใจ อยากได้เงินอีก เลยไปฟาร์มอีก พา Brune กับ Lusi ไปด้วยกัน แต่ย้ายแคมป์ไปตีตัวยากหน่อย
- ไปถึงเจอ BST ไม่รู้เลเวลอะไร กำลังใช้เสือไปสู้เสือ เลยย้ายไปแคมป์ถัดไป
- บางทีก็วิ่งมาเจอ BST คนนั้นบ้าง เแถว ๆ ตรงพรมแดนระหว่างซีกเรากับซีกเขา มีเผลอแย่งเสือกันบ้าง แต่ก็ไม่ได้มีปัญหาอะไร
- ตัวปัญหามาทีหลัง ชื่อขึ้นต้นด้วย Dog
- แรก ๆ ก็ไม่อะไร แย่งกันเคลม ใครดีใครได้ เราไม่เดือดร้อน เพราะเสือเกิดไว
- ตอนหลังจู่ ๆ ไอ้ทารุมองค์คนนั้นก็ /tell มาอย่างที่เห็น
- สีส้มเป็นคำถามของมัน สีม่วงเป็นคำตอบของเรา สองอย่างนี้ลอกมาจากในเกมเปี๊ยบ ๆ ส่วนสีดำเป็นคำวิจารณ์ที่เขียนขึ้นในบล็อกนี้เฉย ๆ

u selling hides or what? – ถามทำไมวะ
{Synthesis} {ingredients} – อ่ะ ตอบไปตามตรง แต่ไม่ใช่ของให้ตูคราฟท์หรอกนะ เอาให้ Elfi นู่น
i’m going to drop leather price to 4k – เหรอ? แล้วไง? บอกตูทำไมอ่ะ?
Killing crafters? – นั่นเดะ จะดึงราคาลงทำไม เดือดร้อนชาวบ้าน กำไรหายหมด ประสาท!
discouraging ppl like you =) – “like you” เออ แล้วคนประเภทตูมันเป็นไงวะ?
Like me? Honest crafters who’re farming and crafting for money? lol – ตูหาเงิน ตูฟาร์ม ตูคราฟท์(แต่ไม่ใช่ leather นะ 555)
lol don’t fucking tell me about honest crafters i took LC to 100 farming all but Griffon hides - ทำไมต้องฟัคด้วยสาด หยาบคาย แล้วจะโม้ทำเหียกไร ตูไม่ได้ถามเฟ้ย
and if you check price of hides i’ve done nothing but try to jack the price up - ไม่เช็คเพราะตูไม่ใช่คนฟอกหนัง มีไรป่ะ 555 แล้วเอ็งดึงราคาขึ้นแล้วมันเกี่ยวไรกะตู?
amemet NQ also
– แล้วไง? =_=
And what’s your problem with me then? I don’t understand. – ใช่ ๆ หาเรื่องไมวะ หาเรื่องแล้วมีโม้ทับอีก ถามก็ไม่ตอบ เอ้า…. ท่าจะบ้า

สรุปก็คือมันบ้าใช่ป่ะ? กวนว่ะ ไม่เข้าใจ พูดจาเลอะเลือนเพ้อเจ้ออ่ะ ไม่ได้เกี่ยวกันเล้ย เหตุผลน่ะมีมั้ย??? แต่ละอย่างไม่ได้เกี่ยวข้องเป็นเหตุเป็นผลกันเลย มีคนแย่งฟาร์มแล้วเกี่ยวอะไรกับ dump price ? แล้วไอ้ dump price เนี่ย คนดี ๆ เค้าไม่ทำกันเฟ้ย เพราะมันเดือดร้อนเพื่อนร่วมอาชีพ โห่ ๆ ๆ แม่งแย่งฆ่าไม่ทันแล้วพาลป่าววะ? ไม่เข้าใจเลย คนอะไร ไม่มีเหตุผล…. ถามดี ๆ ดันตอบกลับมาหยาบ ๆ แล้วถามคำถามสำคัญก็ไม่ตอบ (ประโยคสุดท้าย “เขม่นอะไรตู? ตูไม่เข้าใจเอ็ง”) เฮ้อ ประสาท!

เจอคนแบบนี้แอบเสียสุขภาพจิตอ่า…. คนแบบนี้ก็มีด้วยเหรอ แม้งงงงงงง แถมตูยังซวยเจอเข้าจัง ๆ อีก เว่ยยยย เซ็งเป็ด!

คือแบบ ตูทำไรผิดวะ? ไม่เข้าใจ ถามก็ไม่บอก ตอบกวน ๆ อีก แล้วยังมาโม้เหม็นบ้าบออะไรของมัน แทนที่จะบอกว่าตูทำไรผิดจะได้แก้ไข เฮ้อ คนบ้า คนประสาท คนผีทะเล ไม่อยากเจอหน้ามันอีกเลย เวลาไปฟาร์มหนัง ขออย่าให้เจอมันอีกเลยเถิดดดดดดด สาปส่ง กรวดน้ำ ลาก่อน!

I wish Dogmangler of Sylph find and  read this, so that maybe he would explain to me why he bahaved in such a hostile way. So I sneakily mention his full name for the Google search engine to find in here.

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